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--- numeric [2025/05/16 18:44] – [Numeracy in ancient Yeberi culture] ken
+++ numeric [2025/05/16 19:30] (current) – [Number System] ken
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 ^Hebrew Word^Probable Value^Note|
 |[[ahed]]|1 |
-| [[seti]], [[seni]], [[hex]], [[ter]]|2 |this is a bit tricky, we'll come back to it|
+| [[seti]], [[seni]], [[hex]], [[ter]]|2 |FIXME this is a bit tricky, we'll come back to it|
 |[[seles]]|3|
 |[[arebey]]|4|
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 |[[tesey]]|9| |
 |[[yeser]]|10 or 12|(depending on which base system was used) |
-|[[selesim]]|30|seles & [[im]]|
+| |20| |
-|[[arebeyim]]|40|arebey & [[im]] |
+|[[selesim]]|30 (or maybe 36)|seles & [[im]]|
-|[[hemesim]]|50|hemes & [[im]] |
+|[[arebeyim]]|40 (or maybe 48)|arebey & [[im]] |
-|[[sesim]]|60|ses & [[im]]|
+|[[hemesim]]|50 (or maybe 60)|hemes & [[im]] |
-|[[sebeyim]]|70|sebey & [[im]]|
+|[[sesim]]|60 (or maybe 72)|ses & [[im]]|
-|[[semenim]]|80|semen & [[im]]|
+|[[sebeyim]]|70 (or maybe 84)|sebey & [[im]]|
-|[[teseyim]]|90|teseh & [[im]]|
+|[[semenim]]|80 (or maybe 96)|semen & [[im]]|
-|[[mah]]|100| |
+|[[teseyim]]|90 (or maybe 108)|teseh & [[im]]|
-|[[alep]]|1000 or "a lot" | |
+|[[mah]]|100 (or maybe 144)|probably not 60, since that seems to be covered already |
+|[[alep]]|1000 | |
+|[[alepim]]|ten-thousand|alep & [[im]]|
 Numbers traditionally interpreted as "teens" are formed by adding two numbers.
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   *sebey yeser is typically interpreted as "17" (see Genesis 37:2)
 It should be noted that this is not the only possible interpretation of these phrases. FIXME We need to examine more examples in context.
-FIXME - analyze and compare the uses of 'mah' vs. 'sesim' to assess whether an interpretation of "sixty" for 'mah' is even remotely feasible. Then, based on those findings, assess 'alep'.
 ====Affixes as Mathematical Functions====
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 ===Multiplication===
-The use of suffixes indicates mathematical functions. As seen in the above table, the [[im]] suffix on numbers indicates multiplication (although the assumption that it is multiplication **by ten** might not be substantiated. It is probably more accurate to assume that the multiplication is **by yeser**, and to  keep in mind that 'yeser' might equal 10 but more likely equals 12.
+The use of suffixes indicates mathematical functions. As seen in the above table, the [[im]] suffix on numbers indicates multiplication (although the assumption that it is multiplication **by ten** might not be substantiated. It is more accurate (but less precise) to assume that the multiplication is **by yeser**, and to  keep in mind that 'yeser' might equal 10 or 12.)
 ===Sevenfold===
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 ====Number System====
-By now you may have noticed a pattern:
+We can now consolidate the above information into a system:
 ^Root^Root Value^With 'im'^With 'it'|
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 |[[tesey]]|9| [[teseyim]] = 90 |[[teseyit]] (or teseyi) = 1/9 |
 |[[yeser]]|10 |[[yeserim]] = 100 |[[yeserit]] = 1/10 |
+|[[mah]]|100| not used | mahit = 1/100 (theoretical) |
+|[[alep]]|1,000 |[[alepim]] = 10,000| alepit = 1/1000 (theoretical) |
+====Checking the System=====
+If this system is correct, we should theoretically be able to use the data in Numbers chapter 2 and add up the numbers in each verse to get the grand total in verse 32.
-|[[hexi]] |half | |
+The NIV lists the total number of the census as 603,550.
-|[[mah]]|100| |
-|[[alep]]|1000 or "a lot" | |
+We disagree. Based on our rendering, the number given in Numbers 2:32 is:
+//ses mah alep seles alepim hemes mah hemesim// which transliterates to "six hundred thousand, three [x] ten-thousand, five hundred fifty". Clearly there is a three with a ten-thousand in our rendering. This results in a total of 630,550.
+FIXME - cool now do all the other verse and add them!
 ====More Math====